UPDATE: Brilliant work in the wee hours of the night by our commenter cliftonchr.
Partisan hacks in the national media openly advocating for Obama say 18,000 attended President Obama’s rally today in Wisconsin with no evidence whatsoever. Local press who are pleased to see the President but who also do their job and report on the actual event say 5,000. Thankfully we have battlegroundwatch.com commenter “cliftonchr” breaking down the conundrum.
After fishing around the internet cliftonchr dug up first a crowd shot (from the Democrat Underground) of Obama’s actually rally at the BMO Theater whose maximum attendance is 5000. And although there are reports of some empty seats in the nether regions (no overflow crowds like the Romney rallies in Cincinnati) we’ll give them the benefit of the doubt about rounding up to 5000. No problem there.
But compare that with the second photo which is a generic crowd shot of the Marcus Amphitheater next door which holds 23,000 even though the national media reports 18,000 (acknowledging the empty seats in the back?). These are two dramatically different crowd sizes yet the national media does not report of the factual crowd size and fabricates an enormous number which never occurred.
|What Barack Obama’s crowd actually looked like||What 18,000 people looks like|
So Barack Obama who did fill the 23,000 seat amphitheater in 2008 (September 1, 2008 to be exact) before achieving his Democrat advantage in the state of D +6 at the voting booth could not even fill the 5,000 seat theater next door for his first visit to the state in 220 days during peak election fervor yet the media are polling this state as if he will achieve an even bigger turnout advantage in November? They’re not journalists, they’re partisan advocates.
Here were cliftonchr’s original links:
So recently I’ve started looking for pics and attendance stats for both sides at rallys, I think this is your real indicator for enthusiasm. Since Obama was having one in Milwaukee at the Summerfest festival grounds (Hank Aaron presenting him) and hadn’t been there in 220 days, I thought I’d watch for stories and pics on it. You would think it would be a big draw (Milwaukee pop is 600k), he won the state by 14 in 08′, Dem enthusiasm is supposed to be way up according to recent polls and he hasn’t visited in 2/3 of a year.
First couple articles I’ve seen said he had a crowd of 18,000 (I almost spit out my drink) and one said thousands, but I didn’t see any pics and thought man 18,000 people, pics would be popping up everywhere. Wow that would be pretty impressive.
[quote]Obama, speaking to an energized throng of 18,000 people in an at-times-rainy outdoor amphitheater[/quote] wow, the ampitheater capacity is 23k by the way. No pics to suggest this is true.
Read more here: http://www.bradenton.com/2012/09/22/4210936/obama-argues-against-romneys-top.html#storylink=cpy
[quote]As he addressed the crowd estimated at 18,000 people at the Henry Maier Festival Park, the rain came down and the wind picked up.[/quote]
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/09/22/obama-makes-pitch-to-wisconsin-in-the-rain/ again no pics suggesting this
[quote]There were no drums or guitars on the main stage, but the thousands of Democrats who packed the Summerfest music festival grounds Saturday greeted President Barack Obama like a rock star.[/quote] Now it’s a 73 acre complex so they didn’t pack it, lol
http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20120922/APC010402/309220419/Obama-cheered-during-rally-Summerfest-grounds-story-photos-?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cp Some of the pics in the gallery of this link aren’t even at that rally although the captions say they are.
Turns out he was actually at the Harris BMO pavillion at the Summerfest music festival grounds, which holds 5,000, it did rain at one point halfway through the speech but it’s covered so no one got wet unless they stepped out in it.
This video has a part that looks like they took it right before it started and there were empty seats, there are 2500 seats and 2500 can fit on benches, it hardly looked overflowing, so i bet thousands is correct and give him the benefit of the doubt and say 5000
This video draws back and it doesn’t even look like a very big crowd
[quote]Obama energized his supporters who filled the 5,000-seat BMO Harris Pavilion, along with thousands more who sat in bleachers and stood on the pavement beyond the protection of the roof, even as wind and rain lashed down in the latter moments of the near 30-minute speech.[/quote] strangely absent pics to back up the overflowing crowd…..
I looked at numerous articles and was really looking for pics to back up the size of the crowd, I posted the ones I found that made the crowd look the biggest, can’t really tell if there is 5000 or not, either way D+6 (2008 turnout) would have packed that ampitheater at 23k. Unless big crowds start showing up I do not think there will be a D+anything turnout, right now there isn’t.
It also seemed like the local media articles didn’t stray from thousands or 5000, but some of the national articles said 18,000.
Here’s a link to a pic of the pavillion with a great angle so you can see how big it really is, most of the press pics (in the articles) I saw are tight angles and you can’t see how big the crowd is. I think the place was probably only half full or they would have used an angle like this. http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrokic/7460411590/sizes/l/in/photostream/
Note: I changed the title and moved the lead sentence since multiple people got confused until they got deeper into the story.